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VandeMataram and Islam

 

This is not for the first time that the national song of ours is becoming a headache to seculars, and thanks to Anna , he never compromised it with a fringe extremist fundamentalist group of muslims. Deoband had already issued a Fatwa against Muslims singing Vandemataram,and yet secular nationalists claim many muslims have no problems with it. But is that true? Does Islam allow muslims to sing it ?

Many muslims who claim they have no problem with VandeMataram justify their singing it by twisting the meaning of the word “Vande”. They say “Vande” means “salute”. It is for the same purpose AR Rahman composed “Ma Tujhe Salam”. But “Vande” doesnot mean “salute”, it means “bow” or “worship”, and since Bankim Chandra Chaterjee compared the motherland as Ma Durga, he meant to worship the motherland as we worship the God. So here is where the first Islamic allergy to VandeMataram comes.

The main issue is with the word “Mataram”,which is feminine, so in Quran (4/117 ) They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. The refuge of those will be Hell, and they will not find from it an escape.” . So in Islam, it is a sin to worship god in a feminine form. Then how do you expect them to worship a Satan, mother India ? There is also an other issue, Islamic belief unlike Hindu, is that God alone is fit to be worshipped, not his creations,while Hindu Shasthra say that “Ishavasyamidam sarvam”. God is everywhere and in everything. The Hindu concept of God is not an egoist jealous God like that in semitic religions.

So we cannot for ever make a religious muslim (almost all of them are, because a Muslim cannot think beyond his religion, unlike Hindus, if they don’t ,they cease to be Muslims) pro VandeMataram. That is our national song, which has equal status with our national anthem. Any insult to national song, is as severe as we insult a national anthem / flag. So what is the way out ? REFUSAL to sing the song is also an Insult, and if so why not the likes of BHUKARI who has reasonable command on muslim community still at large. Why there is no case against Islamic seminaries and Deoband for insulting the national song ?

The fact of the matter is the EXTREMISM among muslims has it roots in the ideology of Islam, we cannot blame Mullahs, they do quote only from their HolyBooks. So let us think about Blaming the Book of “peace” which teach, a female God worship is a Satan worship. Shall we ?

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37 Comments on “VandeMataram and Islam”

  1. shankara says:

    Good perspective.Keep it up.

    • Jansher says:

      One of the typically pathetic article with vitriolic Muslim bashing done at the behest of fundamentalist, extremist, hate-preaching Hindu groups. The writer has no knowledge of Islam and goes ahead to write about it. It is like a car mechanic instructing about bypas surgery

  2. @nationalizer why to go against any religion? those who call the fatwa did for there own profit … not for Muslims, and every one knows fatwas is there to buy and sell like News.

  3. Roshan singh says:

    good post as always..

  4. can414 says:

    The fact is some community leaders have opposed national icons for one reason or the other. This is not just limited to Vande Mataram. They have opposed singing National Anthem, saying Jai Hind. They regard constitution with contempt as they consider it to be man-made.

    I would be intereseted in getting Bukhari’s feedback on Bangladesh’s national anthem “Amar Shona Bangla”. Their national anthem treats Bangladesh as “Ma”. English translations of some of the lines are as follows –
    “O ma,
    Phagune tor amer bone
    Ghrane pagol kôre,
    Mori hae, hae re”

    Translation –
    “In spring, O mother mine,
    The fragrance from your mango groves
    Makes me wild with joy,
    Ah, what a thrill!”

  5. can414 says:

    National anthem of Saudi has this line “ʿĀša l-malīk” which can means “Long Live King”. But King is referred to as “Malik”. As per Koran, all muslims are children of Allah and no one claim to be superior among the children of Allah except Allah himself. How come no Mullah has opposed this?

  6. a muslim says:

    you are tying to distort the issue, first Vande mataram is NOT the national anthem, it has no constitutional sanction as jana gana mana has, our founding fathers have recognised this problem & have dropped this song as national anthem.. Second point is problem is not with mother or Ma we all call india as our mother land, problem is ‘Vande’ that is worship, muslim do not worship anyone but Allah we do not worship even the mother who gave birth to us, we love her. respect her but NOT worship her & same goes with the mother land.. Problem is with Sanghis who do not want muslims to avail the constitutional guarantee of practicing their religion & try to create non issues to propagate hatred, forcing muslims to sing a song against their religious belief is unconstitutional & unnecessary provocation for communal hatred.

    • nationalizer says:

      Exactly.,,If this is how the whole of muslim community thinks, they deserve to be out..Thanks !

    • Praveen Bhat says:

      To my illiterate friend “a muslim” who said that the blogger distorted the issue & others like him: Do you know the difference between National Anthem and National Song? Vande Mataram was accepted as Indian National Song in 1937. To your benefit, I paste herewith an extract from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Mataram

      //Quote
      Adoption as “national song”
      Tagore’s Jana Gana Mana was chosen as the National Anthem of the 1947 Republic of India. Vande Mataram was rejected[citation needed] on the grounds that Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Sikhs, Arya Samajis and others who opposed idol worship felt offended by its depiction of the nation as “Mother Durga”, a Hindu goddess. Muslims also felt that its origin as part of Anandamatha, a novel they felt had an anti-Muslim message.

      The designation as “national song” predates independence, dating to 1937. At this date, the Indian National Congress discussed at length the status of the song. It was pointed out then that though the first two stanzas began with an unexceptionable evocation of the beauty of the motherland, in later stanzas there are references where the motherland is likened to the Hindu goddess Durga. Therefore, INC decided to adopt only the first two stanzas as the national song.
      //Unquote

      How about Jai Hind? Have problems with that too? Because Hind means land of Hindus. When muslims say Jai Hind, they say long live the Hindus, don’t they? 🙂 How about Jana Gana Mana the anthem itself? Its in highly Sanskritized Bengali. We Hindus treat our language Sanskrit as mother too. We worship Sanskrit too. Sanskrit itself came from our God, Shiva’s damru. We worship him, his damru, his given language also.

      Ancestors of INC like the current sickos have done a lot of favouritism towards muslims. They should have told them: if you’ve problems with our National anthem, song, language &/ or culture, you’re free to go to countries where your own culture prevails, don’t kill ours. I hope our future govts have such views. Muslims have their way in every nation where they’re a majority. Why that, in many nations where they get sufficient numbers, they start demanding and even snatching away from majority there. Hindus have no such nation anywhere on the planet. I hope Hindusthan, Bharat, matrubhumi, our motherland, stands up to protect HINDU RIGHTS.

      VANDE MATARAM.

    • nationalizer says:

      Hello Mr “a muslim”.. Y do u lie that ur name is Rahul ?

  7. a muslim says:

    Mr nationalizer or communalizer as u should be called, muslims r not living in this country as a charity or mercy from anyone this country belong to every citizen of india equally what ever his or her religion is as for kicking out muslims leave out 1 RSS Even 10 RSS & a hundred swami will not be able to do this so come out of your illusion & become a responsible citizen of this country.

    • nationalizer says:

      Yes, I think about my community, just like your Quran says muslims only will get heaven, others will burn in hellfire.

      .For me heaven is this country and i will enjoy in this country , so talking like your book says, i may ask you to burn in pakistan or so where people Bomb eachother in the name of allah…LOL

    • rizal says:

      To a muslim,
      youmoron, don’t you know pakistan was created and divided from india so you SOB can have your own country.

    • veer says:

      @ a muslim
      it is Dr K B Hedgewar who is the founder of RSS was a very brilliant student. AS he was a doctor and it was quite easy for him to make money to live a luxurious life and to leave the country which was like a hell because of british. but he opted to serve the country. in 1925 there was no difference between Hindu and muslim & the demand of time was to protect the country instead of protecting hindu and suppressing muslim, when RSS is founded. it was formed to make the country self supportive not to create difference among the country people. for your kind information in the very beginning Dr Hedgewar joined indian national congress & was the appointed as the Deputy Chief of volunteers cadre of congress near about 1920. after working in congress for 5 year he found that only paper work is being done by the party man instead of visiting different place and finding actual fact thats why the thought to serve the country apart from congress and to founded RSS. it was observed that it was not possible to sever the country without political support thats why later on janta party is formed.
      RSS has only one mission and vision that is to serve the country. it is only few anti social elements who manipulate the actual fact for their small benefit and smears RSS.
      the another information, hindu is not a religion the actual religion is SANATAN. it was the people of west who was pronouncing hind prant instead sindh prant and the people who reside in area are called hindu instead of sindu. the motto of the RSS is unite the people of country in the name of hindu that only means the people who belong to hind Prant not to the people who belong to sanatan dhrma. the popularity of RSS become problem for the future of congress and they convert it into religion.
      so change your perception about RSS.
      there were two people 1st is nehru 2nd is jinna who fought to became the 1st PM of Bharat where as more eligible candidates like patel and sastri was there, Not belong to a royal and rich family criteria disqualified the two gems to become the PM.

      what would have been there if jinna would be the 1st PM.
      benefit no.
      1. existence of country like naPAK would have been null
      2. it was like current pm every decision would been taken by other DIGGAJ leader
      3 no difference b\w hindu and muslim
      4 (as he was suffering from TB) just after 6 month there would have been desired PM

      there are questions for you
      where were god before 610 BC?
      what is the difference among puja, aadar, pyar, ibadat?

      another thing
      before following any religion like sanatan, muslim or anything else one should be hindu( follower of the rastra dharma). rastra dharm is the only mean which can make the country great again.

      facts about fight
      fight between outside and country
      if no outsider is there fight b\w hindu & muslim
      if no muslim is there fight b\w siya & sunni
      if no hindu is there fight among rajput, brahman, yadav etc

      so use your brain and think about it fight is not solution.
      and supporting pakistan because of religion is not fruitful for your existence.
      dont listen leader like akberrudin who is a abuse on your religion and our country.

      dont forget that the motto of RSS is only to teach people to follow RASTRA DHARM…..

    • A Hindu says:

      Muslims never have any feeling of nationhood, they always blame others for their backwardness and deny the fact that they are backward because of themselves. After independence every community got the equal chances of progress and every community progressed except one, they are going in back gear without breaks and so called Muslims intelligentsia reacts only when anyone criticizes their religion but not when kids of non-Muslims were killed by Muslim fundamentalists, or when women of non-Muslims are dishonored by Muslims and etc. where they die at that time.

  8. drmihirbhoj says:

    इस्लाम एक बहुत ही अच्छा धर्म रहा होगा,कुरान निश्चित रूप से एक श्रेष्ठ जीवन दर्शन की पुस्तक रही होगी पर आज कुरान इस्लाम को एक घोर अरब साम्राज्यवादी विचार के रूप में प्रतिपादित करती है,जो साम दाम दंड भेद से पूरी दुनिया को धर्म के नाम पर अरब राष्ट्रवाद के झंडे के नीचे खङा करने के लिए है…इसके लिए राष्ट्रवाद की कोई जगह नहीं जो कि प्रकृति की मूल भावना के विपरीत है….क्यों कि हम सभी का जन्म इसी धरती से हुआ है तो प्रकृति हमारी मां ही तो है….इस्लाम मैं नैसर्गिक विचार के लिए कोई जगह नहीं क्यों कि वहां व्यक्ति का नाक कान आंख यहां तक की मस्तिष्क को भी बंद कर दिया गया है…..जिस तरह हिंदु समाज ने वर्णऔर जाति व्यवस्था आधारित समाज को नकार कर सामाजिक समरसता कि तरफ कदम बढाया है उसी प्रकार से मुसलमानों को भी अरब साम्राज्यवाद को छोङ राष्ट्रवाद का चयन करना चाहिये…ये उनकी धरती है उनके राम और कृष्ण सरीखे उनके पुरखों की धरती है पर अफसोंस आज अधिशंख्य मुसलमान इस साजिश को नहीं समझ रहे……….वंदेमातरम् उनकी भारत मां की जय जय कार ही तो है उसके गायन मैं झिझक कैसी……

    • nationalizer says:

      Aap K oran padke aise bol raha hai ya ? I slam was born to destroy pagan civilisations, also they hate christian jews also..A religion born from hate should also end in hate !

      • veer says:

        religion is made to maintain law and order without any king and protect humanity not to fight and show other religion inferior.
        i have read kuran. it is written that 1 sud not drink wine but so many muslim drink
        not to see other women, but all muslim do.
        if a muslim follows all the instructions of kuran he would not live now a days….

  9. Islam was born to unite the Arab people against the invaders. Do check your facts. I do not find any problem in people uniting to protect themselves.By the way, I have 2 muslim friends from my school day who sand Vande Mataram with as much passion and patriotism as me when it was played during the morning assembly. Its just a very small section of the muslim population that the way that your are trying to paint them as. I can say the same thing about all other religions on different issues.

  10. a muslim says:

    To imbecile Praveen any thing adopted by congress in 1937 is not legally binding, when are our constitution was framed this song because of its hindu religious nature was objected & our founding fathers have made jana gana mana as national anthem.. As for sanskrit or any other language u said u worship is your personal matter but at no point song jana gana mana has any suggestion of worshipping mother land so we muslims happily sing it. Hind is the short form for Hindustan which is used for this country of ours so we dont have any problem with jay hind or Hindustan Zindabad it simply means long live our country.. I fail to understand if muslims dont sing a song which is Not our national anthem why some hindus have problem with this, u sing whatever you want noone is bothered.. As for your suggestion of muslims leaving this country, this is as much our country as of anyone else & muslims have full right in this country without compromising on their religion or culture..
    Hindustan Zindabad

    • Praveen Bhat says:

      Again, illiteracy prevails. Read up, no one talked of legality here. By the same token, you guys may throw the freedom struggle also in the dustbin, saying that it was all pre-1947! And worshipping the language is not personal to me, its implied for Hindus as it is in the birth of the Sanskrit language itself. Also I didn’t suggest muslims to leave the country, but suggested INC should have done that long back. But INC is a freaking vote bank. More the illiterate morons, better for them. God save this country from population explosion of yours, uneducated lots, that has pulled this country down.

      Finally, Hind is short for Hindusthan, which means ‘sthaan of Hindus’, residing place of Hindus, needless to say who has “full right in this country”. Keep ignoring & redefining what suits you, facts are inbuilt in our language. Those words are loud and clear.

      Vande Mataram

      • nationalizer says:

        How much you will lie ,Mr Muslim ?

        While presiding over the Constituent Assembly on January 24, 1950, President Dr. Rajendra Prasad stated: “The composition consisting of words and music such as Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem of India, subject to such alterations as the government may authorize as occasion arises, and the song Vande Mataram, which has played a historic part in the struggle for Indian freedom, shall be honored equally with Jana Gana Mana and shall have equal status with it. Vande Mataram has a greater history, significance and sanctity

        read this http://india.gov.in/knowindia/national_song.php

    • nationalizer says:

      And Mr Muslim, in a way,you have endorsed my views that islam does not allow muslim to sing VandeMataram,Thanks for that…! Keep it up..!

  11. a muslim says:

    fully agree with u islam doesnt allow muslims to worship mother or mother land how muchever we love it only Allah Is worthy of worship, while motherland deserve highest respect & love & sacrifice.. Insistance on trivial things like that is product of sanghi mindset who r not happy with secular & democratic nature of our country. Those who have problem with our secular democracy can take a oneway ticket to Nepal.
    Finally if singhin of this song is binding then what is the punishment in IPC for people who refuse to sing it, please enlighten me.
    Hindustan Zindabad

    • nationalizer says:

      Are..Yaar ! Nepal is also not a Hindu nation, you have a plenty of islamic nations, show me one where I can go as a Hindu ?

    • anand r says:

      “A muslim” Do you agree your Ancestors were hindus with hindu heritage?

    • Kreem says:

      @ a muslim please reply to this:

      I would like to quote a few of its verses:

      1) “Believers do not make friends but your own people…They (the non-believers) desire nothing but your ruin…” Surah 3:118,119

      2) “Believers should not take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: Except by way of precaution, that you may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3:28

      3) “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” Surah 9:5

      4) “Seek out your enemies relentlessly” Surah 4:103

      5) “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah” Surah 8:39

      6) “Make war against the leaders of unbelief… Make war on them: God will chastise them and humble them. He will grant you victory over them.” Surah 9:12

      7) “If you should die or be slain in the cause of Allah, His forgiveness and his mercy would surely be better than all the riches.” Surah 3:156

      8) “Prophet makes war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deals rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” Surah 9:73

      9) “Believers take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends and protectors.” Surah 5:51

      10) “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)” Surah 3:85

      11)Surah 4:34 talks about “beating your wife” if she doesn’t behave as the husband wishes her to be.

      Now don’t reply with the crap of quoting these out of context. I have heard your own mullahs like Zakir Bhai MBBS and many others taking out verses out of Quran and quoting it in front of Millions.

      And finally take this from your own Hadith of Bukhari
      Volume 9, Book 93, Number 493:Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
      Allah’s Apostle said, “If anyone of you, when intending to have a sexual relation (sleep) with his wife, says: Bismillah, Allahumma jannibna ashShaitan, wa Jannib ash-Shaitana ma razaqtana, Satan would never harm that child, should it be ordained that they will have one. (Because of that sleep).”

      And tell me now whether your prophet’s father recited this when he consummated Amina (allegedly prophet’s mother)?? Obviously not! So, now can you tell me with conviction that Satan has not harmed your prophet????!!!

    • A Hindu says:

      Why should we go to Nepal, South Asia is our land, if somebody has to go its you go to Saudi Arab.

  12. Rajiv jaiswal says:

    @Muslim,
    The problem is that most of you (70 to 80 %) dont even say Hindustan Zindabad and sing national anthem.I am glad atleast u do that.
    Rajiv

  13. zhilna says:

    To all,

    There is no point in discussing the history which no one can’t undo or rewrite.

    The ultimate reason for creating a term ‘religion’ is to make the barbaric Human to follow a principle life which preaches good & bad things for a prosperous life. (CIVILIZATION)
    We must be proud that our fore fathers have a vision which resulted in creating the much debated Religion.

    Every religions preaches something. It must be viewed in such a way that it should not become a tool for debate which creates problem.

    As a world citizen we use science & technology in our everyday life, the web portal which we use now, the fiber optic communication link, computers, servers etc.., are products of human effort. No one can say, that a computer used by them is made by their people(in religion wise).
    Every human contributes to the functioning of the world. Sitting in the Top of the food chain with the sixth sense we Human have no such threat than ourselves.

    If you dig deep, i mean think dont rely on some historic material lying in the museum and believe what it says.

    If you keep a bunch of male lions with its herds in close proximity it will fight for its territory.
    That’s okay because its nature, after all we are HUMANS with sixth sense. Psychologically, dominance helps to create a shield which makes us think that we are safe. But its not.

    whatever it is if you keep two similar habitat with different behavior, problem will raise. because it has it own myth and believes (Humans).

    At least now realize we are living in the 21st century, be rationale and dont think absurd.

    • nationalizer says:

      Ha ! The problem that we all face in twenty first century is islamic terrorism, what is worse, the reactionary terror taking birth all over the world to counter this..So i will rather advice you to live in twenty first century and not to run away from the major problems that we face..

      “the ultimate reason for creating a term ‘religion’ is to make the barbaric Human to follow a principle life which preaches good & bad things for a prosperous life. ”

      What if one of such religion promotes barbarianism in twenty first century ? Do not bring technology and fibre optics in every topic.Religious terrorism is a reality these days..!


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